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Below is a series of images of flags that have been provided to FOTW; some we have recognized, and some we have been unable to recognize. If you can help us identify any of these flags, please let us know! Contact the: UFE Editor.
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Image from Klaus-Michael Schneider, 23 March 2019
This unidentified flag (source) probably belonging to Syrian Demokratic Army, led by Kurds, the formation that broke the last resistance of ISIS. The yellow flag has a Turkish(?) inscription beneath a map of Syria, probably showing the region, claimed for autonomy by Kurds. Can anybody add to or confirm this?
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 23 March 2019
Image from Jens Pattke, 23 March 2019
The yellow flag is in fact the flag of the Syrian Democratic Forces. The inscriptions are in Arabic, Kurdish and Assyrian.
Jens Pattke, 23 March 2019
Image from Krystof Huk, 23 March 2019
This summer I had the opportunity to, among others, visit Albania. When we stopped in the Tirana bunker of Enver Hoxha, the Albanian dictator, his personal quarters had what appears to be a banner hanging on the wall. I have been unable to find any information on it on FOTW (could be missing something very obvious, of course) or on Google. It's a red banner with what appears to be a border of the Cyrillic letter Ж (according to Gianluca Lentini it is the equivalent of the Albanian "xh". All the letters are formed by their outlines except for one in the upper hoist half, which is "filled in" and fully black. On each side of this banner are three black shield outlines with a four-point mural crown, all containing the Albanian double eagle. In theory it could also simply be some drape or decorative fabric but the way it is displayed suggests a flag. Is anybody here familiar with this item?
Krystof Huk, 23 March 2019
While I cannot tell anything about the flag, I can provide a small correction about the Cyrillic letter Ж: its basic sound value, in all Slavic languages, is the equivalent of Albanian "zh" (Czech ž), although it may correspond to Albanian "xh" in some other languages. (source)
Albanian "xh" is the equivalent of several Cyrillic letters and digraphs, depending on the language, but Ж is very rarely used for that; most frequently, the digraph ДЖ is used. (source)
Tomislav Todorovic, 24 March 2019
No way way to fasten it, nothing to suggest it's more than a table cloth, as far as I'm concerned.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 26 March 2019
Image from Clay Moss, 24 March 2019
Any idea? Seen on eBay.
Clay Moss, 24 March 2019
The flag has the Hamburg castle in the canton, but does not seem to be in our Hamburg collection. The object on the central fish is (I think) a 30 cm ruler.
Rob Raeside, 25 March 2019
It's the flag of Ahrenkiel.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 25 March 2019
Trimmed image from Clayton Horner, 28 March 2019
I saw this flag in Rabat, Malta a few days ago, and I do not know what it is. Maybe someone out there can help. The stripes are blue and white. There are 18 of them.
Clayton Horner, 28 March 2019
We do not have this flag in our Maltese section on FOTW.
Rob Raeside, 28 March 2019
Image from Peter Edwards, 22 April 2019
The image is flipped, but called a "Vintage British/Jewish Kiel Yacht Burgee". (Source)
Perhaps a Yacht club officer's distinguishing flag?
Peter Edwards, 22 April 2019
Identification is required. Doesn't show up on our Off-centered Crosses page.
Rob Raeside,22 April 2019
Image from Jon Potter, 18 May 2019
I'm wondering if you can help point me in the right direction of being able to identify the attached flag/pennant. It is on a set of binoculars that were presented to FW Watling in 1894 for being the Honorary Secretary of the WQRC. I'd always assumed given that its a pennant that it was a Rowing Club but haven't been able to locate any with these initials. The crest of the club also has Prea Ceteris beneath. The only FW Watling of this period I have been able to locate was in the Madras Army, India. Any suggestions would be gratefully received.
Jon Potter, 18 May 2019
I suspect the motto should be Prae Ceteris, meaning "Before others".
Ian MacDonald, 24 May 2019
Image from Jason Saber, 26 April 2019
This flag is unknown to me. The flag seen flying in Bramley, Surrey, England.
Jason Saber, 26 April 2019
The flag arms looks similar to the keys found on the Surrey arms.
Rob Raeside, 26 April 2019
Unfortunately no perfect match, just some speculations: The ratio (1:2) seems British, but the shield type might be German. The whole looks somehow Catholic, due to the colours white and yellow. The throughout black cross can be found 1) at the Archbishopric of Köln 2) at the Teutonic Order. The crossed keys are usually an attribute of St. Peter. But altogether it doesn't fit. Also no match in German municipal flags from the counties around Köln.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 24 April 2019
Bramley is twinned with Rhens. The order of the stripes
slightly different to what we show there. On Google Street View we see that the flag is flying next to a shield on bedsheet flag for the Bramley Parish Council .
Jonathan Dixon, 14 May 2019
So we find that Bramley is a twinned city of Rhens, explaining the German flag displayed in the town square in the UK. However the horizontal tricolor being flown in the town square of Bramley remains a bit of a mystery because the order of the stripes appear to be in the wrong order.
Pete Loeser, 25 May 2019
It's definitely the Rhens CoA, and Rhens doesn't seem to be too concerned about the order of its stripes. Officially, they're Y-N-W as shown here, but they're also found Y-W-N (see the 14th or 15th photo on this page, and historically they were N-W-Y (source). I suspect it's just another variation.
James Dignan, 25 May 2019
Speculative images from Pete Loeser, 26 May 2019
So we now have three possibilities for a horizontal tri-color for Rhens. I provide some speculative images and summarize.
1. We have the modern Black-Gold-White (N/Y+/W in vexspeak) version found flying in Bramley, England. (#26a)
2. We also have the Gold-Black-White (Y+/N/W) version discovered by Jonathan and James. (#26b)
3. Then we have the Black-White-Gold (N/W/Y+) version (#26c) - apparently based on a possible historical VG Rhens (Verbandsgemeinde Rhens) district flag pattern (#26d).
Apparently the German flag merchants are being a bit "loosy-goosy" on these. I've replaced the yellow color tints with the gold (Y+) used on the Bramley photo.
(FOTW page sources: Rhens City and VG Rhens)
#28d MYK-VG Rhens horizontal
Speculative image from Pete Loeser, 26 May 2019
I think I'll just leave this to my friend Michael and others to unsort this whole conundrum.
Pete Loeser, 26 May 2019
Especially in Rheinland-Pfalz we have the problems that we now have lots of unofficial flags of former municipalities, never approved officially. Jôrg in the early 2002 had tried to present some of those for us. The local flags there are furthermore strictly following the NTSR-system (never twice same ratio), a nightmare for flag makers I can imagine.
I do not believe that Rhens had a historical flag, as it was only a tiny village in the former Prussian Rhine province. In Prussia there had not been much local flags. That tiny village had been however of an enormous historical importance for the Holy Roman Empire. For example, see the details of the Declaration of Rhense.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 25 May 2019
Image from Brian Condon, 28 May 2019
I found this flag at an auction. It measures 24 1/4 by 14 1/4 inches.
Brian Condon, 28 May 2019
Actually pretty easily identified, it is a National Service Flag displayed as a banner. Probably WWI, given the variant symbol. The blue stars represent men (or women in WWI) in the service and the gold star represents someone who died on active duty. The crescent is unusual, but I have seen many unusual symbols on these types of flags, particularly of WWI vintage.
My first guess (and this is only a guess) is the someone who died was either in the service of a foreign nation whose symbol is the crescent (seems unlikely) or that the person died in a foreign country whose symbol is the crescent (Gallipoli comes immediately to mind).
Dave Martucci, 2 June 2019
Image from Stephen Hampson, 2 June 2019
I have this ships service napkin ring with the attached house flag. I've been through Lloyd's 1912 House Flags and Funnels as well as several editions of Browns without success. The napkin ring has the number 23 on the back which would indicate a ships service items. Do you have any idea of which company this might be, or where I could try?
Stephen Hampson, 2 June 2019
If the hatching is intended to represent the Pietra Santa method, the flag would be blue, and the disk would be black on top, red below, with a white bar.
Rob Raeside, 2 June 2019
This was the flag of Jalui Company.
Miles Li, 7 June 2019
Image from Dave Martucci, 2 June 2019
This pennant-shaped flag measures approximately 7" x 14" overall (18 x 36 cm) and is printed wool bunting. The field is somewhat faded but appears to be green, with a red pall whose "upright" arms lead to the hoist and whose "staff" leads to the fly. The arms of the pall are red, fimbriated white, red, and white. In the center of the pall is a white circle fimbriated red and white except where it meets the pall, on which in green letters is inscribed "N" above "RV"
The pennant is finished with a canvas header into which a hemp rope with a loop at top is inserted. The header and rope construction appear to be of European manufacture.
I do not recognize this design, although it appears to have German symbolic attributes. It was purchased from a flea market in Miami, Florida a few weeks ago.
I asked two people who are expert in these types of flags about it.
I first asked Peter Edwards. He says:
"I fear it rings no bells. The letters NRV were an obvious lead to the German yacht cub Norddeutscher Regatta-Verein (which I had spent sometime on recently and thought you had found yet another one of their flags), but no. May I suggest that you contact Klaus-Michael - he has been very helpful to me and has a great knowledge of German yacht clubs."
I then asked Klaus-Michael Schneider. He says:
Image from Klaus-Michael Schneider, 5 June 2019
I promised Dave to paint this one and encouraged him to forward his posting to the UFE section, as I could only give a list, what it isn't. I believe however it is more likely a rowing club rather than a regatta club.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 5 June 2019
Image from Michelle Vaughn, 3 June 2019
I have a image of something I had found in Saratoga hills of California in a Creek a few years back. I want to see if it resembles anything to you and maybe you could help me come closer to identifying it. Unfortunately it is a little distorted because the object was under water and I couldn't get to it. Then a creek fly fisherman stomped my ground and later a huge mud slide covered the area so, I completely lost it. Anyway, it reminds me of a flag symbol or marker of some sort. I have found other items in this general area and it's a known passage to early explorers.
Michelle Vaughn, 3 June 2019
Image from Ralph D. Birkhoff, 11 June 2019
My late father bequeathed me his flag collection a few years ago and the attached flag was in it. It was probably a gift from a family member in Holland years ago and even though we have the supplier tag on it which is DVC even they don't know what it is. I have eliminated Dutch city or state flags, so we believe it may be from a Dutch sailing or sports club?
Ralph D. Birkhoff 11 June 2019
The closest I could come is Ens, but there the birds are merlettes, while the ones on your flag look much more like ducks. Ducks are not uncommon on Dutch municipal flags, but I don't know of any on boating club flags. Most often boating clubs flags appear as burgees, generally triangular in shape, so I would not expect this to be a sailing club.
Rob Raeside, 11 June 2019
Images from Ivan Sache, 11 June 2019
I reported this flag to the FOTW mailing list on 14 December 2014 saying:
A ":renovated" and "improved" flag of the former municipality of Bergen has been ordered by the Bergen Historical Association (Historisch Vereniging Bergen, HVB). The flag is red with a white bend cantonned by six white merlettes. This is a banner of the arms of Bergen, described some years ago by Frits David Zeller in Kroenik van de HVB. The arms most probably belonged to the lords of Haarlem, who were also lords of Bergen. The oldest representation of these arms dates back to the late 16th century. (Dichtbij, 3 December 2014) This flag is shown on the Shipmate flag chart as adopted in 2008. The first flag (#31a) is from the Shipmate flag chart, credited to "GPV" and the second flag (#31b) is the "improved" version which has the merlettes represented in a more compact way.
This was commented the same day by Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg. The source is actually the Bergense Kroniek, which is the magazine of the Bergen Historical Association.
Historische Vereniging Bergen NH
17e jaargang - nr 2 - november 2010
Frits David Zeiler
Zes merletten en een schuinbalk (Six merlettes and a bend)
Traditie, waarheid en verdichtsel met betrekking tot het dorpswapen van Bergen (Tradition, truth, and tale regarding the village arms of Bergen.)
page 2-8 (Source)
The only relevant part is the blazon, from the Decree of 1922 that formalized the Bergen arms: In keel een schuinbalk van zilver, vergezeld van zes zoomsgewijs geplaatste merletten van hetzelfde. (Gules, a bend argent, accompanied of six merlettes in orle of the same.)
Merlette is, one would say, the French word for the charge that in English would be called "Martlet". However, the charges have come to differ in their depiction, with the martlet more like the original French merlette, a female Blackbird, just with legs missing, whereas the heraldic merlette is now a small duck, though often depicted more swan-like, and is missing both beak and legs.
Viewing the flag change from this background, the swan-like merlettes from the old version have now been changed closer to a martlet: A more compact duck, but also missing the beak. Basically, a kind of ugly ducklings.
Ivan Sache, 11 June 2019
Image from Klaus-Michael Schneider, 10 June 2019
I spotted this one on top of the town hall of Oxford (though being a city since 1562 the seat of the city council is still called "The Town Hall") in August 1996. The flag is quartered of red and white, both(?) white quarters are charged with a triplet of red fleurs-de-lis ordered 2:1. No match with any college flag and no match with any flag of a twinned city.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 10 June 2019
I've had an article on this very subject in my Drafts folder since 2005, but in the intervening period, life got in the way. I will try to write it up properly for the page(s) and send it, one of these days.
Generally, the convention is that civic buildings retain their original name, despite subsequent changes in the status of the municipality. This flag does not fly at the Town Hall, but at the next building down Saint Aldates with a flagpole on the same street frontage , Christ Church College (source) Christ Church as a foundation is unique in the world, as both a Cathedral of the Church of England and a college of the university. Typically, on days of significance to the university such as a Degree Day, it flies the banner of arms of Cardinal Wolsey, as depicted on our page above and shown in the photo.
The flag is quartered of red and white, both(?) white quarters are charged with a triplet of red fleurs-de-lis ordered 2:1. No match with any college flag and no match with any flag of a twinned city.
However, on what might be termed 'Royal' or national days, it flies the flag described above, which is a banner of arms of the college's re-founder Henry VIII.
On these days, most of the other Oxford colleges will fly the Union Flag, as does Oxford City Council, who own and run Oxford Town Hall, but on a secondary flagpole above the town hall. The City will fly above the Town Hall entrance either a stylised banner of their arms (or on Mayor Making Day an actual banner of arms). But they have three flagpoles all visible concurrently and do also fly EU flag, rainbow flag, UN flag and so on.
Source: Personal observation and photographs, 1972 to date. It's only been fourteen years. Hope this is helpful.
Colin Dobson, 13 June 2019
Image from Howard L. Rehs, 13 June 2019
Your website appeared while we were searching for a specific flag. I do not know if you can help us, but just in case – we recently purchased a marine painting and are trying to determine the name of the ship and who the owner was. The only hint is the flag. I am wondering if the green flag (with the letter H) looks familiar to you?
Howard L. Rehs, 13 June 2019
A green flags as house flags on ships are rare, especially in the US, as this ship proclaims from its ensign. It does not match any flag we have in our US files. I checked the Rosanoski collection of shipping line flags and did encounter Hennig Bereederungs und Schiffahrts KG, out of Duisburg, Germany, but it appears that company dates from 1992 or so, so obviously is not this one.
I have attached a reduced image of the painting and pasted full-size clips of the three flags around the edges.
Rob Raeside, 13 June 2019